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Tank CEO Caldari Corp 1 Allstars Insurgency	Posted - 2008.02.19 08:05:00 - [1] Edited by: Tank CEO on 19/02/2008 08:16:19 I started playing this game in beta 5. When retail came closer and closer, I tried to get everything right with my character. In 2003/2004 I really thought I went the right route. I got high intel/mem. I thought in the beginning that having high attributes in that field would serve me good because I knew I was just going to stay caldari and stay with missiles. Of coarse, that did change in 2004/2005 when I speced to fly the macherial and there were no more missile skills to train. But after 4.5 years, I can honestly say im pretty embarrased at my career/attributes. Im also jealous of my alts attributes whos a achura. She has 28perc/26intel/24will/24mem/7char with LVl 5 skills / +4 implants, where as for me, I have 26in,20perc,20will,29mem,22char with +4s.. And you know whats pathetic is my career. Ts "Industry/Merchandisers/Engineer". IF I woulda know my career would be that, (since they didnt have that display feature in 2003) I woulda so went the other way and I only have 700k SP in Industry! But I did go that way for a reason. In 2003, it was all a rush, a rush to start training skills, a rush to get that head start in eve. I mean I was even ****ed off that I got eve 1 day after the euros did because of the release in US. So I went that route to get I think Electronics 3 or 4. ( I wish i woulda gotten Frigate Lvl 4 right off that back. Another reason I got high intel/memory was for learning skills and engineering. At the time there wasnt hardly any missile skills and there werent many ships at all. So I didnt really think that too far ahead but you know, I didnt think i would stay in this game for almost 5 years when I made my character. So the whole point of this story is, are there any plans to allow veterans to AT LEAST change their career path (which is very doable roleplaying wise, people change careers all the time). At least give us that if you won't allow us to change our initial attribute selection. I think making a character permant for so long shouldnt be. People make mistakes and I for one had to suffer it for 5 years. If you don't have any plans, make them now because careers should be changable at least once in a players life time. I would honestly pay a fee, real or ingame money wise, to allow me to change my initial attributes/career once. You can do something with this and make it possible. ------------- Jita is mine.
Tank CEO Caldari Corp 1 Allstars Insurgency	Posted - 2008.02.19 08:48:00 - [2] Let any person, who is without complaint, cast the first stone. Yea thats right you bunch of hypocrites. To answer uninvisibilities question : Yes. I would like to refine my character. You act like i should be in debt because I have this huge advantage you say. What huge advantage. All the advantages I have are well deserved and I think the gap between new players/veterans isnt enough. Skill wise, any character in the game can specialize their character in a year or less and be just as deadly. The only benefit of being 5 year old player is variety, being able to fly more ships, enjoying more aspects of the game. And for all those players saying I have it better then you do. Wouldn't it be nice to know that one day in the future you would have a chance to respec your character, at least career wise to better suit your needs? I think everyones answer would be yes. ------------- Jita is mine.
Tank CEO Caldari Corp 1 Allstars Insurgency	Posted - 2008.02.19 19:14:00 - [3] Originally by: Merdaneth Originally by: Tank CEO But I did go that way for a reason. In 2003, it was all a rush, a rush to start training skills, a rush to get that head start in eve. I mean I was even ****ed off that I got eve 1 day after the euros did because of the release in US. So I went that route to get I think Electronics 3 or 4. Well, it seems to me you just misjudged the situations. In your mad rush to be 'better' than others, you've undone yourself. You bet on the wrong horse. Tough luck mate, you gambled and lost. That happens to gamblers all the time. The rest of your arguments ("I think making a character permant for so long shouldnt be") are purely motivated by your selfish desire to be 'better' than others, and I see no benefit to the game as a whole for these change. Character creation shouldn't be about risk. I made my character to the best of my knowledge of the game. For a time it was good, but the game has evolved extremely. I mean, its been 5 years and I havent made a post like this till now and all you guys are like OMG WHINE. Man, grow UP. This post is a suggestion to CCP. There are many ways they could make this possible and its a great oppurtunity for them. I think that this possible future feature should have restrictions. I mean, for myself, I wouldnt change much attribute wise.. I wouldnt go from 3 Intel/2mem (attribute selection) and ancestry +4 Memory to straight Perc/will. I would choose 3 perc/2will and ancestry would prolly be 3Intel/1 Perc. I would still keep Intel because it is usefull. I would prolly almost think of going 3perc/2intel. Another way to do this is to make a skill that does +1 Perc but -1 Memory. Or +1 Intel but -1 charisma. CCP would have to figure out the balance of those skills tho. But that can be highly exploitable and honestly unfair. All I would like to see happen is the ability to change my ancestry/career and if possible my initial attributes. Have severe restirctions on them and a cost if you like. Make it so that only player 4years old can do this or 3 years old. Make it a 1 time thing only. As long as its balanced, its cool and ccp would have to decide on the balance. ------------- Jita is mine.
Tank CEO Caldari Corp 1 Allstars Insurgency	Posted - 2008.02.19 19:28:00 - [4] They aren't going to nerf the new asian characters. They were built that way to help noobs catch up alittle to the veterans. IF anything, just adjust the old races/bloodlines to be more to date if your going to change something. ------------- Jita is mine.
Tank CEO Caldari Corp 1 Allstars Insurgency	Posted - 2008.02.19 21:49:00 - [5] Im not for relocating skill points. ------------- Jita is mine.
Tank CEO Caldari Corp 1 Allstars Insurgency	Posted - 2008.02.20 05:24:00 - [6] You wouldn't be saying that now if you had the chance to have 20 more skillpoints then you have now. 20m skill points is alot of points. ------------- Jita is mine.
Tank CEO Caldari Corp 1 Allstars Insurgency	Posted - 2008.02.20 17:42:00 - [7] Originally by: Arria Periclee Originally by: Tank CEO Edited by: Tank CEO on 19/02/2008 19:00:00 Edited by: Tank CEO on 19/02/2008 08:16:19 I started playing this game in beta 5. Blah de blah. Think about a character name change, too. Wha ------------- Jita is mine.
Tank CEO Caldari Corp 1 Allstars Insurgency	Posted - 2008.02.20 17:59:00 - [8] I could care less about who you think i am, if im the original or not. People who know me know who I am and thats all that matters to me. The reason i reply to your pathetic post is I don't like ******** who think they know it all, post lies and go off topic. ------------- Jita is mine.
Tank CEO Caldari Corp 1 Allstars Insurgency	Posted - 2008.02.20 21:09:00 - [9] Originally by: Hamfast Originally by: Tank CEO Im not for relocating skill points. I am confused... you are asking to have your race and starting path changed because you have more knowledge now on what would be best for what you ended up being... but you don't want to relocate (Reallocate?) skill points... so your change would have little affect on your past, just on your future... how long it will take to train that next skill point, not the skills you trained a week ago. If you are actually asking that youÆre starting stats (Race and Back Ground Story) to be modified, and then your past training reflect that change, then in fact you are asking for the Reallocation of skills. Hi read my post again, it will solve your confusion. ------------- Jita is mine.
Tank CEO Caldari Corp 1 Allstars Insurgency	Posted - 2008.02.20 22:21:00 - [10] Edited by: Tank CEO on 20/02/2008 22:21:54 Quote: So you already DID reroll. You rolled an alt and trained it up differently. Quit crying. If the current state of affairs is absolutely unacceptable to you, can I hav ur stuff? Actually, I speced him ( not trained ) slightly different, +3 Perc/+2 Intel. Try harder flaming noob. Also, you cant have my stuff begger. ------------- Jita is mine.
Tank CEO Caldari Corp 1 Allstars Insurgency	Posted - 2008.02.21 00:52:00 - [11] Wow you fail at reading. Theres no way in hell I would swap over to Achura. My post clearly states to make it possible to change my ancestry, not bloodline/race, as well as career one time in a characters life time to enable people to somewhat respec their initial attribute selection. ------------- Jita is mine.
Tank CEO Caldari Corp 1 Allstars Insurgency	Posted - 2008.02.21 19:33:00 - [12] My only issue is im listed as a Industrialist.. which I only have 700k SP in that field. Thats not my path... Ill tell you the reason I went high memory. It wasnt for drones or industry, it was for learning skills, I thought that the learning skills and adv learning skills would all have a memory as their main attributes. ------------- Jita is mine.
Tank CEO Caldari Corp 1 Allstars Insurgency	Posted - 2008.02.21 21:43:00 - [13] Originally by: Havohej You reinforce my point, then. You rolled a toon with new attributes but trained the same skills. That's a reroll if I ever saw one. Since you're quitting, I demand you give me ur stuff. Damn your annoying. Who the hell says im quiting? I train alts perfectly, use them, then sell them when I can get a hefty profit of isk. JUST by addding a 1 Time only respec does not make this game like world of warcraft. IN wow, you can respec with no limit. I am suggesting that CCP implement a 1 time respec per character and have a restriction that would only allow characters over 2,3,4 or 5 years old, whatever they may choose to respec. Its like having a name you don't want. I dont want to be a industrialists. As I said before, If I known I would have been listed in my character sheet as a "Industrialist/Merchandiser (Engineer i dont mind) I would have never specced that way. I didnt make a noob mistake in beginning of eve. Its just that eve has evolved so much in 5 years that If i knew what I knew now, I would have never went all intel/memory. Again, I dont mind intel, I just hate my memory. Its useless to me! ------------- Jita is mine.
Tank CEO Caldari Corp 1 Allstars Insurgency	Posted - 2008.02.22 22:40:00 - [14] If you agree with my idea, sign it. Make this post get noticed. ------------- Jita is mine.
Tank CEO Caldari Corp 1 Allstars Insurgency	Posted - 2008.02.23 21:31:00 - [15] Originally by: Havohej Originally by: Daelorn Originally by: Havohej You reinforce my point, then. You rolled a toon with new attributes but trained the same skills. That's a reroll if I ever saw one. Since you're quitting, I demand you give me ur stuff. We don't "roll" "toons" Now please GTFO of my EVE, you and your WoW corp. Go to page 1 of this thread, click 'Edit' at the top of your browser, click 'Find in this page', and type in the word toon. Then try roll and reroll. I didn't appear on page one of this thread, I came in late. Come down to Omist and make me GTFO your EvE. Me and my WoW corp. Stop posting here. ------------- Jita is mine.
Tank CEO Caldari Corp 1 Allstars Insurgency	Posted - 2008.02.24 11:18:00 - [16] Edited by: Tank CEO on 24/02/2008 11:19:11 Originally by: Deira Lenia Your complaining about something you did 5 years ago and suggest a feature to fix that fault to CCP. So what, CCP patched in some senseless words. For someone with your reputation (tbh, nice job on the lowsec miner) I did not expect such low-class whine. Like you posted you wanted to be the best when you started. After 5 years you concluded that you are not the best. And are practicaly demanding CCP to give you the option to become the best. You sir, Are a numpty. Why do ignorant people say that im a whiner or a complainer. A person complains or whines over features that are already in this game. This is a suggestion of a new feature to make the game better. This is a feature I would like to see in a game that Ive invested well over 500$ in the last 5 years, not including my alt that I got 2 years ago. I said nothing in my original post that I wanted to be the best. I mean really, how does having alittle better attributes with a 'respec' make you the best? All you do is train alittle faster. I mean, I'm already MAXED out on skills (except for a few) in the pvp field.. BS 5, Commandship 5, Most of missiles skills 5, All engineering 5. Im maxed out SON! How can I become even more powerful with just a simple alteration of my attributes. The answer is I cant. YOU SIR, are the numpty. Originally by: Missy X I would never respec my character, not ever, no matter what, not even if the ability was freely available to all at no cost. In real life you can't just redo the last ten years of your life because you made a few mistakes here and there. You just learn what you can from them and move on. Because I roleplay I think that respeccing is metagaming at its very worst. I dont blame you to not want to respec. Your achura, best initial attribute selection in the game. In real life you can relearn new things such as career. Where are you from? If roleplaying is a issue. Careers are changeable in real life and done frequently. Ancestry - This might pose a problem, but this is a world of future game play. For example, my clone can be altered and changed. Same with initial attribute selection, my clone can be altered. Originally by: Missy X If you don't like your career, change your career as you would in real life. If you don't like your character, start a new one. That's the way it should be. I think EVE should be harsher. I think you shouldn't even be allowed to sell or buy characters either, but then that's just my opinion and I'm sure I'm in a minority of about 0.01% of players when I say that... You say that as if its easy to do.. One, my career is industry, (LOL). I never went that path, I have 700k SP in that field, so ingame, I changed my career 5 years ago. Start a new character you say? Sure let me just throw out a character thats 5 years old, with 80m Skill points, with 2b isk just in skill points and o, not to mention the time trained/real life money spent on this character. SURE LET ME JUST START OVER LOL. You know, most of you noob players think, o man, hes going to become more powerfull. No man, thats not the case, you cant become more powerfull with a small alteration to attributes. Im already maxed out in what I do basically. All I want to do is just train faster, thats the game, to train as fast as possible. I want to enjoy more aspects of the game, fly different ships (Possible all ships, because Im still specialized in just caldari) So your view on me becoming more powerfull is incorrect. I mean you noobs dont know what its like to train 30day + skills all the time, because thats what we have left to train. Ive come to the point where I hate training anything shorter then that. I want to explore more aspects of the game, that is what my intentions are for attribute alteration. Just for the record, im not for skillpoint relocation nor am I for bloodline change. This game has evolved, our characters should be able to as well. ------------- Jita is mine.
Tank CEO Caldari Corp 1 Allstars Insurgency	Posted - 2008.02.24 12:33:00 - [17] Originally by: Bresan Borija Edited by: Bresan Borija on 24/02/2008 12:22:29 Edited by: Bresan Borija on 24/02/2008 12:21:13 Edited by: Bresan Borija on 24/02/2008 12:19:54 LOL So you want to change the base attribute after "4.5 years?" After amassing how many skillpoints are you trying to do this? How many charisma and memory based skills did you learn in the "4.5 years?" How do you expect CCP to change the attributes without consideration to your training for the "4.5 years?" Let me guess, you want to keep all your skillpoints intact, but have advantages to your current skilltrain. Not only will your request be exploitable, but will put more workload for CCP. Seem to read plenty a "noob" in your posts, I like to call you a attribute noob. A "4.5 year" mistake puts a scarlet noob on your chest. I have 80 million skillpoints and like to say I been here 4.5 or 5 years. I am special. I have alot of cap and leadership skills, but that skilltrain is done. Give me more balanced attributes now so I can train for other skills. Waaa Waaa post you sound like a spoiled brat tbh 4.5 years 5 years. I am special. more important to ccp than these "noobs" waaa waaa give me give me How many times you gonna edit your post? ------------- Jita is mine.
Tank CEO Caldari Corp 1 Allstars Insurgency	Posted - 2008.02.24 12:34:00 - [18] Did your brain overheat a couple of times to make you mess up so many times? ------------- Jita is mine.
Tank CEO Caldari Corp 1 Allstars Insurgency	Posted - 2008.02.25 03:21:00 - [19] Wont ever quit because i'll always have the chance to kill people like borija in the game ------------- Jita is mine.
Tank CEO Caldari Corp 1 Allstars Insurgency	Posted - 2008.02.25 05:49:00 - [20] Originally by: Vymorna Grom Why so much importance on what you're labelled? At best it would seem a minor annoyance. It's YOUR character, grew with you, has a unique story, unique experiences. You seem to have no love for or connection to your character . . . after all this time. Do you see yourself as too skilled/proficient to be labelled a (allegedly) lowly trader or industrialist? After all this time, why not actually explore those other roles, those supposedly inferior labels? Might have some rewarding RP opportunities in store for you. Seems more like we have RL image issues that have gotten transferred to our EVE character. IT might be personal labeling, but hey, its just something I would like to be able to change along with attributes. To me, its like having a character avatar that just sucks... which is now changable with a price. The whole reason im posting here is to make this post get noticed, at least, get a ccp reply with a answer of yes, possibly, or no. I will accept any answer and be done with it. But I want to try and continue to try to have this feature put in the game. For those who don't like it, fine, just say you don't like it. But be mature about it and don't be a troll flamer and call the OP a whiner/complainer. Be more intelligent, kthx, post constructive critisism. ------------- Jita is mine.
Tank CEO Caldari Corp 1 Allstars Insurgency	Posted - 2008.02.25 08:32:00 - [21] Originally by: Missy X Edited by: Missy X on 25/02/2008 06:18:00 If CCP respond, it will be no. I guarantee you this 100%. They will say no for blatantly obvious reasons which shouldn't need to be explained, but since you seem to think that a dev reply is in order, I will now explain to you the impracticality of what you are asking for, thus saving CCP the bother of replying officially: If one person can change their attributes at any time, so can everyone. If everyone can change their attributes at any time, everyone will just min/max (apart from the hardcore RP nutbags like me who are a minority). If everyone min/maxes, everyone is equally powerful. If everyone is equally powerful, attributes serve no function to differentiate players. If players are not differentiated by their attributes, you are no longer playing a role-playing game. At this point EVE, a role-playing game, ceases to exist. CCP would prefer that EVE did exist, therefore they will not honour your request. Why don't you people read my post entirely and thoroughly so you fully understand what im talking about. People wouldn't be able to change their attributes at any time. Not everyone would be able to change their attributes. There would be strict restrictions as to 1 time per account attribute change. There would also be a requirement of 2 years to even be eligible and if ccp wishes, they can add a 25$ fee to change your initial attribute selection, much like to changing your character avatar, which is a 1 time option if I remember correctly. You are not ccp and have no idea of what their intentions are. Dont try to be them and give me a answer. ------------- Jita is mine.
Tank CEO Caldari Corp 1 Allstars Insurgency	Posted - 2008.02.25 22:06:00 - [22] Originally by: ry ry Originally by: Tank CEO Let any person, who is without complaint, cast the first stone. Yea thats right you bunch of hypocrites. i'm entirely satisfied with my character's stats/attributes. on the other hand it's the third 'main' character i've created since release, so i bloody should be getting good at it by now :\| For those who are happy with their initial attribute selection, thats great! This feature isn't for those who like their initial attribute selection. ------------- Jita is mine.
Tank CEO Caldari Corp 1 Allstars Insurgency	Posted - 2008.03.11 20:21:00 - [23] Could a mod move this to suggestions forum please. ------------- Jita is mine.
Tank CEO Caldari Corp 1 Allstars Insurgency	Posted - 2008.03.11 20:55:00 - [24] Originally by: Riho iv been playing 2,5 years only.... and suffered for my mistakes for 2,5 years. i have horrid perception and willpower... and im fully combat specialized when i made my first alt and put her proper atributes.... it made me hate myself even more but i have accepted it that i'll be training 1600 sp/h in gunnery and spaceship command and it doesnt bother me much.... it just annoys me when i see my friends characters who started later than me and are 4 million in sp ahead of me :( Play for 5 years. It will bother you. ------------- Jita is mine.

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